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CamelotR
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:22 pm Posts: 425
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
I have experimented an intrestin feature. If I run the engine with very low oil level (5-6mms below min), the smoke gets better. I still have oil pressure, and the head get oil at this level. Liner-ring incompatibility?...
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| Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:46 am |
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gtmdriver
On the Road
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:44 am Posts: 632 Location: Chester le Street
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
A drastic step I know but it's beginning to look like the solution may be another engine block.
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| Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:06 am |
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Dino
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Joined: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:54 pm Posts: 375
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
CamelotR wrote: I have experimented an intrestin feature. If I run the engine with very low oil level (5-6mms below min), the smoke gets better. I still have oil pressure, and the head get oil at this level. ... Just a thought, I know you said you filled it up with the correct amount of oil ... but ... The A series has a dipstick guide tube in the block, the A+ doesn't. Although I've never compared them I presume therefore that the A+ dipstick is shorter (from the sealing ring to the bottom end) ? What I'm suggesting is that if you've put an A+ dipstick in an A block it may sit a lot higher - leading you to grossly overfill the sump ??
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| Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:38 pm |
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CamelotR
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:22 pm Posts: 425
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
Unfortunatly I have conrolled all oil fillups. Approx 4.5-4.8 litres I used each time. Now I have only got 3-3.5 litres in the engine. Which is definiatly abnormal. BUT! After many hour of running the smoke has got a bit better. I will give the engine a final chance and take it out on the road. Maybe. If this will not help, I think the only solution would be another engine... unfortunatly. This would be a financial crach. Thankfully this is not the GTM engine as it costed even more  .
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| Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:15 pm |
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CamelotR
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:22 pm Posts: 425
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
Final question:
Is the direction of the AE pistons important? Now the script is facing back.
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| Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:09 pm |
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CamelotR
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:22 pm Posts: 425
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
Nobody knows if the piston is simethric or not?
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| Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:51 pm |
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West
Admin, and Coupe Nutter
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:34 pm Posts: 1769 Location: In the workshop GTM: Cox/Coupe
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
Yes Pistons Generally Do have an offset and a particular way round. I am Unsure if this applies to the A-series As never built one from scratch.
You need to find out if your pistons do have a particular way round.
Neil
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| Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:11 pm |
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CamelotR
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:22 pm Posts: 425
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
I still not fixed my engine  . Although I am after 9 engine "rebuilds" on the same unit. Now I decided to get some new pistons made by a specialist. Well see. If it does not work, I will get a new engine and start again. Still if You have any idea...
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| Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:01 am |
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CamelotR
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:22 pm Posts: 425
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Finaly it looks like I could solve my problem.
Thanks for Your help!
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| Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:54 pm |
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RaymondH
On the Road
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:11 pm Posts: 604
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
You're going to have to be a bit more detailed than that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on, out with it 
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| Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:17 pm |
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CamelotR
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:22 pm Posts: 425
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
To be fully honest, i have not found the exact problem  . After many-many hours thinking and trying (I did 15 rebuilds  ), I have bought a new block, sent it to a new machinst (who was also unable to do an accurate work  ), but this engine is working. For detailes, feel free to wisit pistonheads here: http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.as ... 0my%20workI hav made a "public" assembly, and have goz many ideas. I think this is a usefull topic. But no real "solution" yet...
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| Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:30 pm |
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CamelotR
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:22 pm Posts: 425
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
Just recived this message from Pumaracing on pistonheads:
"Well done that man. It's nice to finally achieve a result.
If I understand you correctly this engine that is running fine is back on the EVO pistons that machinist number 1 said were the cause of the problem because the oil ring grooves were not perfectly machined which I refuted and said was not the cause of the problem.
We now therefore apparently have proof that it was indeed the boring and honing at fault as I said from the start and not the pistons, valve guides or any other part of the engine other than the problem in one engine was made worse by the overly high oil pressure.
This has been an excellent learning experience, not just for yourself but hopefully for many others reading the two threads over the months and it goes to show just how important correct boring and honing can be and why I have devoted so much time over the years to trying to perfect it with my own equipment.
I have stated in the past on many occasions that engines are fairly tolerant of nearly all faults including bearing clearances, piston clearances and ring gaps and spending time "blueprinting" these things is nearly always pointless. The only thing you can do to really upset an engine is get the boring and honing wrong and I think your case makes this point very well."
This is the most we can tell.
SOMETHING is not right with the boring/honing. What? I donno...
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| Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:34 pm |
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dcrosby13
Part built GTM
Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:27 pm Posts: 140 Location: warrington
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very expensive learning curve but congratlations all the same 
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| Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:37 pm |
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Alex Gibson (AXLE)
Part built GTM
Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:06 pm Posts: 130 Location: North Perthshire, Scotland (1141) GTM: Cox/Coupe
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Well done! At least you can now tell your grandchildren that you can build a A series in your sleep! Alex
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| Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:31 pm |
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CamelotR
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Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:22 pm Posts: 425
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 Re: 1275 grey smoke
Thanks all! Unbelivable is, that by pure measurements, this last block is the worst (0.06 piston-bore gap in 3 cylinders, and 0.08 in the fourth, where even the boring marks are visible). i had to shim the trust bearing with 0.4mms(!) and polish one crank journal by hand as it was tight  . The other two blocks were better by measurements, but something was not right in the boring/honing. Nobody knows yet what...
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