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Just Got Myself A 1995 1.4 Twin Cam K3 
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Post Re: Just Got Myself A 1995 1.4 Twin Cam K3
catsam wrote:
hi i would go with
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* Buy a MGF rear subframe and use with individualised hydragas spheres, keeping hubs, etc as I really want a proper handbrake
* as above, but use PEEPS, fantastic coil over mount brackets


you can then get of the shelf coil over parts and have a proper handbrake


I am now thinking about making a hybrid set up, using F hubs etc on the TF frame and the only mod I would have to make is get a pair of trailing rod brackets and weld them on :idea:

Maybe/maybe not!


J.


Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:03 am
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Post Re: Just Got Myself A 1995 1.4 Twin Cam K3
I am now seriously considering using the TF frame, with F hubs, tie arms etc, but I need to get a pair, or make a pair of tie rod brackets that fit near the front mounts - Has any one got a frame that could copy them for me in card, or an old frame that they could cut them off?


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Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:23 pm
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Post Re: Just Got Myself A 1995 1.4 Twin Cam K3
Well, a week has passed and I have managed to get the brackets, MGF rear tie bars with lower arms and rear hub arm, which all marries up nicely to the MGTF hubs, upper arms and damper assemblies, so I’ve some fettling to do before I get the tie arm brackets welded onto the TF frame then off it goes to the powdercoaters for blasting, galvanising and powder coating.

In addition to this, I got a full set of post 2005 soft ride dampers and springs, which should be a good start, fitted the front pair this morning and they are a wee bit more compliant than the ones fitted from a 2002 that I had.

I’ve been out most of the day getting the rear clam off, removing all necessary electrics, plumbing and everything else I need to start pulling out the rear Metro subframe, BUT, I have been scuppered by the 6 no bolts that hold on the frame mounts to the rear of the tub and Sod’s law dictates that my grinder goes tits up when I most need it :evil:

One thing that has annoyed me about the tub, is that all subframe bolts front/rear are almost inaccessible inside and no amount of contorting or using a multitude of spanners in various lengths will catch the heads enough, nor will mole grips, as they just release when under tension - I am using good quality tools, so it’s not them, it the design of the tub that is doing my head in.

A quick Q on gearboxes - does the PG1 from a MGF or TF slot straight onto the Metro 1.4 block and is the cables for shifting a better proposition than the GTM rods set up?



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Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:53 pm
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Post Re: Just Got Myself A 1995 1.4 Twin Cam K3
As far as I know the gearboxes are interchangeable on the block. I think the block castings of K series are pretty much the same regardless of the capacity, just different liners and crank throws, so the bell housing bolt arrangement should be the same.

I much prefer the MGF cable change on my Spyder over the rods that were on when I bought it.

Note that MGF gearboxes tend to have the bell crank short cable lever facing backwards but on TF'd they face forwards so there is about 3" difference in the length of the short cable - worth bearing in mind if the cable run is a bit tight - on mine the longer MGF cable is about right with the TF bell crank. A TF cable won't reach a TF bell crank and the F cable won't reach a F bell crank. Might be different on a K3 though.

If you are buying a PG1 check out the final drive ratios e.g. C6BP or C4BP. the "6" comes from the 1.6 and 1.8i MGF's and TF's, the "4" version is from VVC engined cars and actually has a lower final drive ratio so lower gearing generally to suit the higher red line. There are also a wide range of speedo drive ratios but I think these are swapable. I used the the speedo drive from my original R65 box on my PG1.

http://www.mgf.ultimatemg.com/group1/info/Gearbox_numbers/index.htm


Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:13 pm
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Post Re: Just Got Myself A 1995 1.4 Twin Cam K3
hi i found this on the net
http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8625

Gearboxes
There are two main types of gearboxes used on k series engines these are the r65 and the PG1. The PG1 is a superior gearbox in that it is very strong (some T16 turbos running 600bhp+!), there is a good range of ratios available and LSDs are cheap, the R65 however is lighter and smaller and is already geared for 13” wheels (if from the metro). The PG1 is only fitted to 1.8 16v and 1.8 vvc engines and the r65 is fitted to all others. There are different ratios available for the PG1 gearbox and all internal parts are swappable with other pg1 gearboxes (as fitted to T series and L series engines). LSDs are also useable from the t series turbo cars and are a straight swap. The pg1 uses a unique starter motor and flywheel/clutch to the r65 and cannot be swapped either way. The PG1 can be fitted to the 1.4 and 1.6 engines but must be fitted with the pg1 flywheel and starter from a 1.8 engine .

i prefer the cable change on my k3 I have taken out the 1.6 with a r65 box and rods and put in a pg1 box in .
so you would have to change the flywheel and starter if you keep the 1.4 you have

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Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:39 pm
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Post Re: Just Got Myself A 1995 1.4 Twin Cam K3
I might have a spare 1.8 flywheel in the shed somewhere. I didn't read that 16v mini article but it might be worth checking what the ECU implications are as the crank sensor takes a pickup off the flywheel so the 1.4 ECU could potentially need different sensor pickups. I'm pretty sure I don't have a spare starter though.

I've also got the flywheel that allows a VVC to fit onto a R65 box if anyone needs one of those.


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